A Feedback given to me last year and my Response
When the user says “OT” and “NT’ what he means is; The ‘Old Testament’ and ‘New Testament’
Hi. Your comments regarding the faithfulness of the OT and NT are rather outdated. They have found texts of the book of Isaiah 1100 years apart and they are practically identical. We have hundreds of copies of the NT no more than 100 years after the events which scholars agree is not enough time for significant change. Of course you must claim that the Judeo/Christian scriptures are corrupt because if they weren’t Islam would be false. But we, in fact, do not even need scriptures to prove our point. The resurrection of Christ is an historical fact. There is much evidence to support it. It is the one thing on which Christianity stands or falls. If it is true then Islam is false and if it is false then Christianity is false and Islam claims a false prophet as a true one. Although many disturbing things could be referenced concerning the life of Mohammed not one thing can be said against Christ. He is without equal among the personages of history. His life is unique and His mission was sublime. To free mankind from slavery to sin. This cannot be done by any works. You keep referring to Allah the merciful and yet the more I look the less mercy I see. In fact your religion is based on law and adherence to the law. Law is not mercy. As Paul says, “By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” Jesus came to pay the price for sins that we could not and to bring us Gods grace. “For by grace are we saved, and not of works, it is the gift of God,lest any man should boast.” We are sinful beings and no amount of “good” works can wipe our sins away. Only the perfect sacrifice of the Lamb of God, His Son, could do that. So it is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ that is truly gracious and merciful for, seeing that we were slaves to sin, He put to death the curse of the law in the flesh of His Son and raising Him to life He offers us new life as His gracious gift. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me.” If you cannot accept Jesus as the Son of God then you should at least be consistent in your belief and renounce Him as a false prophet. Even those who put Him to death understood that He had claimed that He would rise from the dead because they put a guard around His tomb. Please understand that everything I have said was in the spirit of conversation and was in no way intended to “attack” your beliefs. But as a wise man once said, “A belief not worth defending is a belief not worth having.” Peace
Hey, I appreciate your feedback; and respect your opinion. I researched about the dead sea scrolls once, and how it Isaiah and Kings are somewhat identical. However, the scrolls were discovered by a group of students in 1947. With further research it was found that the scrolls were identified as the work of a very devout sect of the Jewish community that lived centuries before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him). Dr. Hershel Shanks speaks of it on pages 7-8 in his book titled; “Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls”.
In later year’s further research on the scrolls ensued. It was said to the people that the group that went to research the Dead Sea Scrolls were an “international” group. Nonetheless you must note that it is a known fact that it wasn’t an international group. A small group in Israel was given exclusive access to the scrolls. In his book The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered it says: “In the spring of 1986, at the end of his stay in Jerusalem, Professor Eisenman went with the British scholar, Philip Davies of the University of Sheffield, to see one of the Israeli officials responsible for this – an intermediary on behalf of the Antiquities Department (now ‘Authority’) and the International Team and the Scrolls Curator at Israel Museum. They were told in no uncertain terms ‘You will not see the Scrolls in your lifetimes'”.
Why is it that the scrolls were hidden? It was such a beautiful discovery, why wasn’t it shown to the public? What was there to hide?
This made both Professor Eisenman and Professor Philip Davies very angry. They were then determined to have access to the scrolls. Five years later on April 1991, after an endless struggle; they attained access to it. Professor Einsman received 1800 pictures of the unpublished scrolls; In September of 1991, they finally had the translated version; after thorough research.
Note that many of these scrolls were written hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. They discovered that people other than Jesus in the manuscript were referred to as “Son of God”. Therefore, during that time the Hebrew people believed a person who is religious, upright, and obeyed God and his commands was referred to as ‘Son of God’. It didn’t literally mean that they were the actual son of God. In Islam the name Abdullah, means “The Servant of God”; at that time saying “Son” was like “Servant”. Because, the son is the one who does the handiwork outside, hunting, etc.
Dr. Tom Harpur in the preface to his book: “The most significant development since 1986 in this regard has been the discovery of the title “Son of God” in one of the Qumran papyri (Dead Sea Scrolls) used in relation to a person other than Jesus…..this simply reinforces the argument made there that to be called the Son of God in a Jewish setting in the first century is not by any means the same as being identical with God Himself.”
Later on after even more extensive research; a particular story was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It spoke about a “Teacher of Righteousness” who will be sent to the Jews. Later on in the story the “Teacher of Righteousness” will be opposed by the “Wicked Priest”/ “The Teacher of Lies”. It was said that the “Wicked Priest” would try to kill the “Teacher of Righteousness”.
This story in the Dead Sea Scrolls is very similar to the story of Jesus (peace be upon him). After further research the “Teacher of Righteousness” was labeled as Jesus and the “Wicked Priest” was officially dictated as Judas. It was also stated that the “Teacher of Righteousness” will prevail. What we begin to see in all of this is the story of the coming of Jesus peace be upon him, his selection of Judas as one of the apostles, the deviance of Judas from the truth, how a sect of the Jews persecuted Jesus peace be upon him, how this sect tried to deceive the masses and differed with Jesus peace be upon him; regarding the truth of God’s message, and finally, how they schemed with Judas to kill Jesus (peace be upon him).
This story is similar to that in the Qur’an where it is said; The one who was against Jesus, was made into his identical and killed on the cross instead of Jesus. Jesus was raised up to the heavens, and Muslims believe that he will return once again and with his coming people will have the Forty Years of Peace.
In the book, “The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered”, I read that the scrolls spoke of the coming of two messiahs. The two messiahs were predicted to be men that were going to be sent by God to teach the correct message. One messiah was described in the scrolls as; “Priestly” and the other “Kingly”. The two prophecies refer to Jesus and Mohamed (peace be upon them). Jesus never lead an army, and he never established a kingdom or a government. Quite the opposite, he called to peace and submissiveness and to leave the rule of the land to others.
Mohamed (peace be upon him) too began his ministry preaching submissiveness and passiveness. However, his ministry was nurtured by God almighty to a point where it was able to defend itself and establish justice in the earth and abolish evil. His followers fought several wars in self defense and against injustice. The Islamic empire finally stretched from China to Spain and even those who did not follow Muhammad knew him well. However, what did they know him for? They knew him for his “kingly” actions and not for the “priestly” side of him that his followers knew.
Jesus in the bible on his “Priestliness”
“They replied, ‘The emperor’s.’ Then he said to them, “Very well, give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, and give God what belongs to God.” Matthews 22:21
Let us not forget that Jesus predicted the coming of Mohamed in the bible; the verse goes as following;
‘But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.’
“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. John: 7-12
“The Spirit of Truth” Here describes Mohamed (Peace be upon him).
In Deuteronomy the prediction of Mohamed’s coming is said again;
“I will send them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words into his mouth; and he shall speak to unto them all that I shall command them” 18: 18-19
Then in the Qur’an God tells Mohamed (peace be upon him) what Jesus said about him.
And remember when Jesus, son of Maryam said: “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât (Torah) which came before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed. But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: “This is plain magic.” Qur’an 61:6
Just a disclaimer: Ahmed is the nickname of Mohamed (s). The two names literally have the same meaning, Anyway;
So yes I believe the Dead Sea Scrolls had correct notions in it, but why did it take so long for the public to know about it? Was there something to hide? Yes, there was a great deal to hide. That is because The Dead Sea Scrolls compliment the teachings of the Qur’an.
Now, you see that the notion of Jesus being the son of God was something developed later on after the leaving of Jesus. Most Christians I know believe that “Peter, Mark, Luke, Matthews, and James” were the disciples of Jesus but to be a disciple of Jesus you have to be alive during the time of Jesus; and none of these men were.
Islam teaches that the Bible and the Torah were once sent books; and that they may have some truth in it. However they went through so many changes by men that it can not be used as a credible source. The Bible doesn’t exist in its original Aramaic text; while the Qur’an is still intact in its original Arabic text; The Bible went through widely known altercations from an Old Testament to a New Testament; while the Quran is one book, with one clear message. & Since it is the last message to mankind, God promised to protect it from all outside influences. The Islamic Museum in Medina contains an exact copy of the Quran from the 14 century and it is identical with the Qur’an present today. That alone should prove that the Qur’an is the biggest lesson known to mankind.
And I will end on this note:
“He has sent down upon you, O Muhammad, the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur’an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution.” Qur’an 3:3-4
This slander that you state that is going on about prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him), is just that – a slander. And a slander is a lie, and not credible. In order to understand the history of the most influential man on this earth, read his history from a credible source, with no stereotypes then you will truly see who he was. An amazing man, and a mercy to all of mankind. Then, yet again… all prophets throughout history dealt with slander (Like Jesus did with Juda).
This has been a great discussion. I am just defending what I believe to be true and I would love to hear what you think about this. Much respect and I wish you peace.